Brishen Hoff's account is now restricted.

Submitted by Jeremy McNaughton on July 5, 2007 - 12:31pm.

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Brishen continued to speak off topic in a discussion after several warnings and another user being restricted for the same issue. This is being done under our policy to limit the accounts of flamers and those who derail conversations.

Brishen will be unable to post new content. He will be able to add comments to other people's content, but it will sit in a queue until it's approved by one of the moderators.

This will be an agenda item at the next London Commons meeting. It will take consensus at that meeting (or a later one) for the restriction to be lifted.

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Reason for limited account

Submitted by Jeff P. on July 5, 2007 - 2:55pm.

After giving Brishen an explicit warning to discontinue derailing the thread "confronting Climate chang from the Left" he continued to discuss his off topic agenda.

This is in addition to numerous other warnings for publishing a user who had been for the same reasons.

Jeff - moderator

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Submitted by Brishen Hoff on July 5, 2007 - 5:02pm.

Jeff P:

Would you mind explaining to me how overpopulation is not related to climate change?

Just wait

Submitted by Richard Wakefield on July 6, 2007 - 5:59am.

Jeff and others. There will be a time, in the not so distant future, when after all the effort to curb CO2 emissions have failed, and billions spent doing it, you will see people finally wake up and realize that gee, even though everyone did their bit, it was not enough to curb CO2. I still continued to rise. And the cause of that rise will be due to two aspects.

1) is it physcially impossible to curb CO2 emissions in a society that REQUIRES energy to survive, and

2) continued immigration grew the population such that any individual token reduction in CO2 was swamped by new comers into the country.

Mark my words this will happen, and when it makes the headlines, 10 maybe 15 years down the road, I expect an appology to myself and Brishen by you and your ilk.

But what I realistically feel you would do is just keep blaming the captialist system.

(And by then it will be "discovered" that all this hype over global warming was just that.)

Richard

No one is ahead of their time, just the rest of humanity is slow to catch on

holding my breath

Submitted by Mike McGregor on July 7, 2007 - 1:11am.

Then you may dance on my grave and spend your grand "I told you so". In the mean time, why not redirect your energies (no pun intended, or is it?) to the uneducated masses on another site?

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Submitted by Brishen Hoff on July 7, 2007 - 6:12am.

Mike, if you want to joke around like a clown, join the circus, or at least a less serious topic.

Why not start a thread of your own and ignore all the threads relating to the environmental problem of an ever growing population. (Since this appears to be completely uninteresting to you -- You've ignored all of my questions.)

In the meanwhile, here is an article I wrote and sent to all major Canadian newspapers as another example of a specific environmental problem and its relationship to the big picture problem of endless population growth:

Nuclear Waste Ethics

In Canada, and especially Ontario, nuclear power is expanding due to rampant immigration.

The government wants to bury 45,000 tonnes of nuclear waste in the Canadian shield in an unspoiled, wilderness location of important wildlife habitat near only small settlements of people.

Wouldn't it be more fair to leave the waste at the reactor sites with the people who make money from producing it?

Actually, I think it would be most fair to export the nuclear waste to Toronto, whose population growth is what required the extra grid power and therefore produced this nuclear waste in the first place.

I think that people who promote nuclear growth directly (work for nuclear power companies) or indirectly (promote or comply with population growth via immigration) should be forced to live next to the nuclear waste that they had a part in creating.

Similarly, SW of London at the Green Lane landfill site which is now accepting Toronto's trash, the CEOs of Green Lane should be forced to retire next to the landfill site they created.

I believe Toronto should have to keep its waste within city limits. In fact, there should be federal laws stating that cities like Toronto are not allowed to grow their population any further. This would prevent Toronto's garbage exports from growing year to year.

Brishen Hoff

Predictable censorship -- So much for Free Speech

Submitted by Brishen Hoff on July 5, 2007 - 2:24pm.

Intolerance of people like Jeremy McNaughton never ceases to amaze me.

To him, the big bad wolf is probably someone like George Bush, but I think he is worse.

He actually has something in common with George Bush, they both want population growth at the expense of ecological integrity.

I knew after calling me a racist didn't work, they'd have to resort to censoring my comments against immigration.

This post wouldn't go through: http://londoncommons.net/node/2721

Sean H
Still not willing to divulge your last name?
You mentioned that our civilization is founded upon limitless growth.
Yes, this is the problem. The earth is finite, conditions of our biosphere's health are deteriorating, the number of starving people continues to increase, more species are pushed over the edge into extinction.
This is why I am advocating an end to our foolish pursuit of economic growth, which relies on an ever increasing population.
You ask me what is behind climate change? People are. Too many people. If one person shits in a river like an otter would, you don't have a problem, but when the whole population of London ON shits in the river, you have a problem.
There are too many people burning fossil fuels. Climate change is a symptom of overpopulation.
Yes I agree with you that Climate change has worsened war in Darfur, but if they weren't so overpopulated there wouldn't be war in the first place.
And of course, if the world wasn't so overpopulated, there wouldn't be man-made climate change.
So Sean H, I'll ask you once more what none of your peers are willing to answer:
Do you see a positive correlation between increasing human populations and increasing environmental degradation?
BONUS QUESTION: (doubt you'll answer the first one let alone this)
At what population for Canada would be too many -- that is, when would you close the border to immigration? (HINT: Nothing can grow infinitely on a finite planet)

Lord have mercy (and I'm an atheist)

Submitted by Sean H on July 5, 2007 - 10:19pm.

This will be my last comment to you Brishen because I believe you are entirely irrational ...

Yes I agree with you that Climate change has worsened war in Darfur, but if they weren't so overpopulated there wouldn't be war in the first place.

That is so nonsensical as to barely be worth answering. The war in Sudan is over diminishing agricultural and grazing lands directly tied to climate change which is directly tied to the over consumption of fossil fuels which is directly tied to over consumption by Western societies. Over population in the so-called third world is directly tied to poverty. The correlation is undeniable. Rich nations produce fewer children and poor nations more. It is part of genetic makeup. Because our DNA drives us to reproduce, the people in poorer nations produce more children to improve the chances that at least one will survive. So the question is, why are they poor? BECAUSE WE CONSUME ALL THE RESOURCES DEPRIVING THEM! Why is it so hard for you to get that simple concept into your head?!

Do you see a positive correlation between increasing human populations and increasing environmental degradation?

It is a stupid question without context. Environmental degradation is more related to the exhaustive resource extraction policies of the West that in turn impovershes others which leads to further ecological destruction. An example: Every heavy rain in Haiti results in flooding and mud slides. Do you know why? Haiti is poor. Dirt poor. US installed, brutal dictators, far worse than Saddam, ruled Haiti for the pleasure of US corporations for close to 100 years. Because Haitians are so poor, they can't afford fuel for cooking or heating. So they deforested their side of the island. Trees prevent flooding and mudslides. And the upshot? Those poor Haitians work for pennies producing baseballs and cheap garments for you and other North Americans. Again, our consumption; their poverty; the shared degradation of the planet's ecology.

At what population for Canada would be too many -- that is, when would you close the border to immigration? (HINT: Nothing can grow infinitely on a finite planet)

You already think it is too many because your logic is irrational and you want to blame others for your own complicity in Western consumption and your priveleged lifestyle.

Further, my name is irrelevant to this discussion. You seem to have no respect for limits, the wishes of others, or even simple and basic courtesy.

behaviour not content

Submitted by Jeremy McNaughton on July 5, 2007 - 4:12pm.

Brishen,

I've tried to make it clear with Richard, but I'll reiterate. I don't give a flying fuck about immigration policy. I have not participated in the ongoing debates, and have no intention of doing so.

Your account has been restricted because you can't behave like a grown-up on the site. You invade other people's conversations with points you've made to them before, you are inflammatory and you cause trouble.

If you had been willing to keep out of other people's conversations and behave in a civil manner, your account would not be restricted right now.

I don't know what you mean about your post not being able to go through... it's there. If you were trying to edit it, you won't be able to until your account restriction is removed.

Jeremy